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  1. All of which has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of this thread or my post. Unless of course you're trying to promote the fantasy that this individual was fired for not buying into the culture.
  2. That is one steaming heap of crap right there. Since you don't know even half the story you'd be much better off keeping your opinions private. It will save you from looking really foolish when all is said and done.
  3. Dave: This is a sad embarrassment. The Gittel's of the world are all around us. Deal with it openly, as did we years ago. Let Them accuse us of harassment. It'll go away fast!


  4. I guarantee you won't be getting an apology. You disappoint me.
  5. That's a pretty vile statement John. There isn't a pilot, or any employee at WestJet for that matter, that has friends high enough to protect them from a sexual harassment charge. I'd expect better from you.
  6. Ac B-787 Arrival May 18Th

    Pretty exciting time for you inchman. Being the front runner on a brand new type is pretty cool, somewhat less so when the inevitable teething problems happen but still a once in a lifetime experience for most of us. I've had a couple of tours of the 87 and I have to say, the front office looks like an awesome place to work. Enjoy the ride. Dave
  7. Wj Widebodies?

    Really John? Employee engagement has been a cornerstone at WestJet since day one and I'm pretty sure you know that. If anything, the failure of the last TA has made senior management a bit more sensitive to the issue but it certainly has nothing to do with the WPPA.
  8. Mitch, I checked the plot, she is in excellent hands. Left on time too.
  9. Mitch, I recently stumbled on a new TV series called Wonders of the Universe (on Oasis HD) with Dr. Brian Cox. Cox is a British physicist/chemist, a brilliant mind and eloquent speaker. If you haven't already, check it out. In the first episode I saw he explained the creation of the universe and everything in it in a such simple terms that even I could understand it. In the second episode he explained gravity and the third, time. Absolutely mind boggling and spectacular cinematography.
  10. These Old Buggers Can Rock!

    Funny, I remember that story too... That's a triple whammy Mitch. Always liked Lazy, huge Bonamassa fan and anything with nasty Hammond organ in it gets me going. This is my favourite Bonamassa tune and video right now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0lIZHspjXU
  11. CAT3DUAL, Chill dude. There is no proposal before the pilots, no vote pending so nothing to “unduly influence”. This a dialog, a post mortem if you will. I’m really trying to understand what happened. Bonhomme, Do I still feel WestJet puts employees first? Unequivocally, yes. I see examples of it regularly. I will come back to your point about erosion of culture. boestar, Uncommon common sense. Duster, Some of us are not welcome there. hammerhead, Here is the crux of the issue in my view and if we want to talk about the erosion of culture that Bonhomme brought up, let’s start right here. Since our inception, WestJet pilot compensation has been different. Our salaries are supposed to be less that the “median” or “industry standard” or whatever you want to call it and make it up with ESPP, options and profit share. The idea being that the basic salary would be a livable wage and would get us through tough times and would help keep he company competitive. During the good times we would more than make up for it, and we are supposed to have “skin in the game”. You knew that, we all knew that coming in but somewhere along the way we lost it. As FA@AC pointed out, depending on whose numbers you use we are already industry leading, but that doesn’t seem to be enough. So before anyone starts pointing fingers, maybe we should take a long hard look in the mirror. Ex 9A Guy, POS was it? I can’t imagine what you would find acceptable. Nobody said the sky is falling, at least I didn’t and haven’t heard it from anyone but you. I said we are facing some significant challenges, I didn’t even say they were all bad, but good or bad we all need to focus and pull together because there is a lot of work to be done and all of this is an unneeded distraction. I defy you to show me one piece of evidence to support this claim. I inhabit the "second floor" and I’m thinking that even if anyone wanted to do as you claim they wouldn’t need to, you seem to be doing a fine job of it all by yourself.
  12. I guess I’m not done. Seeker, I guess I should have added one of these or these too, obviously I don’t think you are rubbing your hands together in glee. I was trading on some of our previous duels and it was a lame attempt at humour that obviously missed the mark. My sincere apologies if I have offended. Bonhomme, I think I understand very well how those “less fortunate” than me feel and I genuinely believe I am looking out for their future. I am not just looking at these next five years, I’m looking 5 or ten years beyond that. We are facing some really significant challenges. We are going to need everyone pulling in the same direction to meet those challenges and we will most certainly need a strong bottom line. As I stated previously, I won’t be here. My time at WestJet has been a truly remarkable experience and I want everyone who is still here when I leave to have a great career as well. Seeker may very well be right about issues with Encore or bases or 1 in 50… I have heard other similar comments. If that is the case and people voted no because they are frustrated that would be unfortunate. The vote was solely about working conditions for the next 5 years and those other things won’t change because of the vote. But with the no vote the time and energy and resources that could go into resolving some of those issues - and preparing us for those coming challenges - will have to go back into renegotiating. If people voted no because they truly couldn't live with the proposal then so be it and I respect that decision. I just hope they didn't vote no because of phantom extra days or some other misconception. We really need to look beyond the horizon.
  13. This will really be my last word on the subject. Parakeet, I used to go on the WJPA forum occasionally, mostly to address technical questions or procedural stuff that came up. A few years ago I tried to log on and couldn’t get access, when I enquired about it I was told that it had been decided “management” pilots couldn’t have access (openness and transparency is a two way street BTW). So this is the only avenue I have left. You don’t like what I have to say? That’s okay, I still stand behind my words. toga, geez DUSTER, thinair and all those of you who have PM’d me, thanks for your sentiments. You guys give me hope. These last couple of days have been the lowest in all my years at WestJet. The results of the vote were released on Friday which, in some kind of twisted irony was also Profit Sharing Day and I did my usual 05:00 – 08:00 shift at the crew room handing out cheques. This is one of my favourite duties because everyone is always happy and pumped, even though it’s only 5:00 am. This year there was a notably subdued vibe and only 3 pilots showed up to get their cheques. I talked to one of the guys who handed out cheques at the party and he said only about 30 pilots showed up there. I also heard from one pilot who didn’t go to the party, he said he didn’t go because he “didn’t want to be around pilots right now”. That stuff is like a stab to the heart for me. We are different, at least we were and I’ll be damned if I will sit idly by while Seeker rubs his hands together and says “see, I told you so. You guys are no different”. I have been accused of being out of touch. That is undoubtedly true. The geeky, tech world I live in is far removed from line flying and the level of discontent that has become apparent over the last few weeks caught me completely by surprise. All these things have conspired to make this a really crappy weekend for me, so here I am, voicing my concerns not as “management” but as a pilot and owner. I won’t apologize for that.
  14. thinair, Min hrs down to 75 but you will still be paid out to bring you up to 77.5 - if you actually ever get blocked to only 75 which is extremely unlikely as we need about 78.5 per month to cover the sked. "Vague crew scheduling rules" - I have no idea how to address that. The "16 days in 30" is the one I really don't get - which is also Duster's complaint that all the pilots wanted was status quo on days worked. Right now we schedule 16 days per calendar month, except February where we have always evened things out - 16 x 12 = 192/year. We have a real crewing problem during some peak months so how do we fix it? We could hire pilots and then lay them off after the peaks but that doesn't work for anyone. Len's solution of 12 blocking windows of 30 or 31 days smooths out the peaks and valleys just enough and it's elegantly in its simplicity. Still 16 days per blocking window so 12 x 16 still equals 192. I don't know how to do that math to come up with an"extra day". Nobody wants to work over Christmas but it is the nature of our business and we all knew that coming in. The beauty of our system is if you don't want to next year, you won't have to. But don't worry, just because I won't be doing a five day pairing I will still be dealing with the day to day stuff that happens 365 days a year and when crew sked are done cold calling to cover sick calls and they strike out, they will call me and I will go flying. Duster, you stated "What DR1 isn't saying is that all the pilots wanted was status quo on the pay, status quo on the days worked, and 2% COLA, and some form of realistic YOS for FOs looking at 10 - 12 years to upgrade. None of that was addressed - we voted no. Very simple." Nobody took a pay cut, nobody is going to have to work extra days, they just might be spread out slightly differently. A 5% lump sum was offered this year to more than cover COLA and it reverts to 2% compounding the last couple of years of the agreement and YOS was addressed, just maybe not to your satisfaction. You are right, making demands is very simple. What is not so simple is, is the solution sustainable? At the end of the day I could take a very cavalier attitude towards all of this as I only have a couple of years left before I ride off into the sunset. But I'm not because I still care very passionately about this company. What happens now won't have any affect on the rest of my life, you guys are the ones who will have to live with it. Now I will leave the last word to you. The level of animosity out there is extremely distressing to me and I should have stayed away from this as I know it is a no win situation.