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  1. I can't believe I'm saying this but Manitoba was waaaaaayyy ahead of the rest of the country when it came to vaccination passports. I received mine on June 8th. Since then I've has no one kick in my door or tail me. I have had my personal email hacked but that's happened before my vaccinations too. Keep on removing privileges from those that choose not to get vaccinated and adding perks to those that have is fine by me.
    8 points
  2. You are entitled to this belief and you are certainly not alone. Here's why I think your conclusions are a little unfair. I've tried to look at this from a familiar place and compare it to a similar crisis in aviation. I looked for an incident that presented similar issues. For best fit, it would need to be one which: the captain and crew had no hand in creating it - they were simply the ones on duty that day; none of the crew had ever seen it before, either for real or in a simulator; there was no SOP or checklist; the crew's ability to respond was significantly hampered by one or more unknown factors; and no matter what they decided, someone was probably going to die. The best example I found was the UAL DC10 that suffered a catastrophic engine failure and lost all hydraulics, leaving Captain Al Haines and crew with very little control over the aircraft. We all know how that day turned out. We also know that in spite of a textbook case of the application of CRM principles, many people still died that day when they "landed" at Sioux City. Yet not once have I heard anyone lay even a modest amount of criticism at the feet of Haines and his crew. They were lauded as heroes for their efforts because they had somehow managed to pull off a miracle. Yet none of them basked in the light of their accolades. They were all steadfast in their disappointment that things didn't turn out better, but they took solace in the fact that they did the best they could with what they had available. None of our current government leaders is responsible for the state of Canada's level of preparedness for a global pandemic on the day before this thing broke (sorry, but SARS was a mere blip by comparison). Our lack of preparedness was decades in the making. None of our current leaders negotiated the free trade deals that saw almost all of our pharmaceutical manufacturing capability move offshore. Every leader (nationally AND provincially) has made decisions which were later found wanting, but in many cases those findings came after more data was gathered and the situation was better understood. But according to some, their mere position of power makes them responsible for a lack of before-the-fact hindsight. IMHO, that's like saying Al Haines should have been able to spot that impending turbine failure during his walkaround, or that he should have anticipated that such a blade failure could wipe out all of the hydraulics on his airplane. Sure, okay, sounds reasonable ... I am not suggesting that all criticism be muzzled, I merely believe that our criticisms should require us to understand that none of us was being asked to make the decisions as this situation has evolved. I for one am glad that we've had the leadership we've had - warts and all. When this thing has passed and there's been time for reflection, I suspect that unlike the recently deposed man to the south, every political leader in this country will sincerely wish we could have stopped it sooner and that more lives could have been saved. They'll wish the damage to our social fabric had been less pronounced and that we could have come through this with less economic cost. I hope someday we'll all have a chance to reflect and at least try to understand that for all of the troubles this mess has brought, the notion that making decisions for an entire province or a country when so much uncertainty prevails is not for the faint of heart.
    7 points
  3. I can't speak for everybody, but IMHO all of us who are AC or ex-AC employees owe Calin a huge thank you for what he has accomplished for AC as a company and for us as individuals. Yes, things are terrible right now for something that is obviously beyond his control, but he has put the company in the best possible position to weather the situation and protect our jobs, salaries and pensions. We sure weren't in a position like this when he took over the company. Thank you for a job well done Calin.?
    7 points
  4. I am not the author but I wish I was.
    6 points
  5. It is not. It is identical. When drugs are fully approved, the manufacturer brands them. And vaccination is not forced. No one is going to strap you to a table and inject you with anything. We, the 80% prefer not to expose ourselves to the heightened risk you, the 20% pose to us. No vaccine is perfect, and even if the odds are greatly reduced that I will get sick, I choose not to sit or work beside an anti-vaxxer. I will not go to dine, indoors, at a restaurant, if it admits you, because what we know of now of the virus (its spread by aerosols primarily) and Delta (its the most contagious variant yet), the odds of me getting even an asymptomatic case are better than zero. And some of the same people who are anti-vaccination are anti-mask, intolerant of people who prefer to protect themselves. So no one is going to come to your house and grab your arm, but don't expect to mingle freely in all places with the vast majority who aren't buying your nonsense.
    6 points
  6. Of course in Feb 2020 the consensus was that curtailing travel was not necessarily effective. Secondly, the objective then (as it should be now) is to keep the hospitals from being overloaded. The intention was NOT to bring the case count down to zero as Australia and NZ have targeted. That type of policy is successful only if a vaccine is available and, at the time, that was not a known. Lockdowns have massive effects on the populace. We know suicides have more than doubled, that alcoholism has increased etc. The number of people who have lost their jobs or businesses is not minor. I find it a bit galling when I hear talk about shutting everything down and I note, that in most cases, those who do have that opinion are financially stable, work in government organization (with no risk or low of losing their job) or who have other guaranteed income. The average person, struggling to survive and the poor in particular, do not have that luxury. SO I throw those travel whiners into the same group as those who espouse a complete lockdown - they are not looking at the reality of the situation. Instead we should be asking why and how our fed and provincial governments allowed thousands of older people to die this autumn and winter after they KNEW, based on last spring, that these people were at risk. 69% of all deaths have occurred in LTC homes. It appears to me that the lockdowns are politically motivated as they appear to be 'leaderlike' and strong while at the same time deflecting from their absolutely woeful response.
    6 points
  7. https://www.jccf.ca/ We will be through the pandemic before this gets to court but the Justice Centre is calling JT on the latest measures. Federal government faces imminent lawsuit over unlawful confinement of returning Canadian travelers Jan 29th, 2021 OTTAWA: The Justice Centre today announced that immediate legal action is being prepared against the Trudeau government over the declaration that Canadian residents will be subjected to mandatory quarantine, at their own expense, after returning from international travel, regardless of their negative COVID status. These measures are a blatant violation of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, including the right to enter and leave Canada, the right to liberty and security of the person, the right to not be arbitrarily detained or imprisoned, the right to retain legal counsel, and the right not to be subjected to cruel and unusual punishment. Furthermore, it has come to the attention of the Justice Centre that the federal government is already arresting Canadians arriving in the country by air and transporting them to a secret location, even though they possess a negative PCR test. These citizens are being held unlawfully despite not having been convicted of any offence, not having had access to a lawyer, and not having appeared before a judge.
    6 points
  8. I got the memo. You cannot deny service to anyone if your reason for doing so is a " prohibited ground" and of those listed, the only possible one is "disability". I am not expressing a legal opinion but "off the cuff", difficulty wearing a face covering does not constitute a "disability". You don't want to wear a mask, I assume you are a threat to all other passengers. You're not boarding. If you wore a mask to get onto the aircraft and now want to remove it, you've engaged in a deceptive practice. Get off. The airline has an obligation to protect its passengers from known risks. Allowing a pax to remain in the aircraft without a mask is a breach of
    6 points
  9. Looks like Mitch is back at work!
    6 points
  10. Hello again, Seeker - Ok, I'll move "for Pete's sake" to the strong response cupboard (& try to tone it down) My dilemma: the Seeker that wrote: "Look, I'm not blaming the experts - we just really underestimated the problem or overestimated our ability. Really - not blaming anyone for this. We're all in it together and it turned out to be harder than we thought" doesn't sound the same as the guy above who predicates his question with the premise vaccinations aren't working. When the manifestly are, but limited by a difficult cohort that won't take them. An earlier post outlines the confirmation of that in current ON #'s. Again I'd invite you to consider the aspirational #'s if almost everybody was vaxxed. The recent levels of infection & transmission would show about 2-400 instead of 7-900 daily new ones. But with full vaxx uptake, we'd never even have reached those levels. With community spread reduced by more than half, R#'s would be way below the expansionary range, and outbreaks could be quickly contained. You wrote: "Somewhere early in the process we were told that we (society) could throw a bunch of money and our best experts at the problem, have an expedited vaccine ready in a year or so, vaccinate 75%-80%, achieve herd immunity and then Build Back Better." We could apply the same inference to ON #'s for an 80% uptake, i.e. about 12M vaxx'd instead of current 10M, yielding about 200 or so fewer dailies. Don't know exactly where that would place R#'s, but pretty sure it's < 1. All that with the hope that an even more communicable variant doesn't mutate while we've still got these millions of determined human petri dishes. The guy that wasn't blaming the experts would be onboard, instead of talking about vaccines "not working". Quick thought about Ivermectin that just might resonate for you . Your no-harm-no-foul approach could be analogized with the power of prayer. No apparent harm (not even nausea and/or diarrhea), and far be it from us to prevent good folk from praying their hearts out if they think it "works" . BTW, of course off-label usage of prescription drugs is widespread and respectable. It's also usually conducted in relatively quiet privacy. The problem with loudly validating these off-label usages online, even as panic courses through the web, is that stupid people feel encouraged to unintentional self-harm. Whether that should matter at all or not is another type of discussion altogether. Cheers, IFG
    5 points
  11. Yabut… mathematically, it’s working just as perfectly as it can given the vaccinated/non-vaccinated ratio.
    5 points
  12. Whenever I observe resistance to wearing masks, (admittedly, a PITA, but...), self-isolation and vaccination being expressed as a limit on one's personal freedom, I am puzzled. Facts: It is a scientific fact that the currently-available, western vaccinations work with unexpected efficacy; Long-term, broad data establishes the fact that without vaccination, one is at risk of serious illness, hospitalization and death; The same data establishes that, with rare exceptions, vaccinated people will not require hospitalization and will not die; Both the vaccinated and unvaccinated can carry & transmit covid-19 Delta, through virus-loaded nasal passages. The claim of broad, public "confusion" when the CDC issues advice as reason for complaint and resistance is, in my view, a red-herring and just plain, bad thinking. I say this because eighteen months ago, nothing was known about covid-19. That's why it was/is called a "Novel" Coronavirus. So new information is being discovered all the time, as the Delta variant continues to teach us, harshly, it appears, leading to "new" advice from healthcare leaders and providers. It is puzzling to me that the introduction of new knowledge regarding Delta etc., is greeted with frustration, even anger. That response, while understandable is a real puzzle because it is misplaced. It is as though, having discovered the design-fault with the B737MAX, our frustration & anger is somehow touted as a "solution" when in fact, analyzing the design, determining solutions then fixing the problem is what will keep people alive. I would have thought that such discoveries and facts are being made, very swiftly, would be greeted positively because it would mean that we are closer to defeating this terrible scourge. Our healthcare leaders are telling us there IS a way to stay alive in the face of the Delta variant. How can one reasonably be angry with that? After all, if for example, one's cancer treatment wasn't working out as expected and one became aware of new information and new medicines regarding a "miraculous" treatment that really did work which prevented both hospitalization and one's death, wouldn't one want it? Wouldn't one welcome the news and gladly adapt to the changes that could cure one? It is not the CDC (or other agencies) that have changed; it is the science and the virus that has changed. I think this is a reasonable comparison and approach to hesitancy. Unfortunately, because public and private entities can't survive lockdowns forever nor can they accept the high risks of swift infections for all, from unvaccinated people and they are forced into what is mistakenly labelled "discrimination" which is a pejorative political term, not a healthcare term.* So I'm puzzled by the broad, political response and the unfortunate endurance of conspiracies that masking mandates as somehow a "loss of one's freedom", when the greatest loss of all freedom is one's death, and the way to keep one's freedom in the face of such a certain threat, is vaccination. *added: Seattle area employers rethink the rules on masking, vaccines as pandemic takes a new turn.
    5 points
  13. At a certain point we all have to transition from lockdown to living with Covid. Transition to dealing with it like every other risk in our lives. Ethically you want everyone to have had an opportunity to have both doses first. But at a certain point people who choose not to vaccinate, can not have the world in lockdown forever. Like smoking. Warn them. Give them free programs to quit. But if they don't want to? They have to live with it. The US thinks along these lines more strongly than Canada. In the fall there will be a small forth wave of those unvaccinated. Nothing will shut down. You can't. If you shut down for a wave of unvaccinated you will never reopen. There will be stories of Joe down the street who didn't vaccinate. The reality of transitioning to risk management will push more to vaccinate when they ask themselves" am I managing this risk appropriately"? In the mean time the Joe's of this world will be a shame. I hope people are taking seriously the choice not to vaccinate and have weighed the risk.
    5 points
  14. Diversity is our strength....let’s see...Jews or Muslims...time to choose Justin...but he won’t...he’ll say he takes the situation very seriously, they are watching it closely, and call for important conversation for peace in the region.
    5 points
  15. Perhaps venting on this forum is good for the "inner-self" and it is to be expected...We are all tired of the COVID issues and no matter who puts forth any opinion as to who is right, who is wrong, and who did what, we are stuck in this situation and all the blustering in the world is not going to change feelings deeply embedded in people. I just hope that we, as Canadians, can keep our cool and understand that this is a great country, full of good people, many of whom imbibe on this forum. Those of us that have become "dots" know how good it was, and how much we appreciated each others input into the fun of aviation, and more importantly, respected each and every arm of the industry. Hopefully this entire "dumpster fire" will be a fading memory, in the not too distant future, and everyone can go back to what they considered as a normal way of life. In the meantime just look at this venture as a long walk on a stony beach, in a wicked wind, just to find that one cafe you like is closed... Take care, love your family and be thankful we all live in this land of round door knobs..
    5 points
  16. My father served with #407 during this period. He rarely spoke of the war when we were growing up but began to do more so as he entered his twilight years. The family thought his recollections captured an unvarnished sense of the times and convinced him to write about some his more memorable experiences. An excerpt from one of them follows: MISTAKES ! After I became an air navigator and was posted to operat­ions, I promised myself that, if ever we failed to return safely to base, it would not be as a result of a mistake that I made. I rather suspect that all surviving air crew, at some point in their careers, made a similar promise to themselves. In spite of that, we were all obliged to survive serious mistakes, and not necessarily our own. It was those mistakes that made veterans out of rookies. I do not mean ordinary, everyday, garden variety mistakes, but with mistakes that are made during wars. They can kill you, and your companions too. Careless oversights, bad judgments, or lack of pertinent knowledge, in ordinary times, might even escape comment, but in war they can be fatal. No matter how well trained aircrew were in their respective trades, their trade was still a narrow specialty and they could be real dunderheads when called upon to perform a task outside that specialty. If one was fortunate enough to be able to review one's mistakes with hind­sight, they could look like a series of inexcus­able stupidit­ies. The related story covering such a series of mistakes is fairly lengthy and I have appended it as separate pdf to reduce 'scrolling fatigue' for those who may an interest in some of the equipment and operational challenges of that period. Mistakes.pdf
    5 points
  17. Trump is not the problem - he's one of the symptoms. A disease is eating away at Democracy. It's not working the way we need it to and the Left is just as much to blame as the Right.
    5 points
  18. You’ve established your priorities over a number of comments on this subject, and unfortunately you seem unable to understand that the attitude you put forward touches a nerve - not just with a few on here - but with a fair chunk of your fellow citizens. Suggesting that those who disagree with you are somehow lacking in intelligence is the final icing on a pretty smug cake, IMHO.
    5 points
  19. From where I'm sitting, your points are pretty clear. You want to go about your business as if there isn't a pandemic going on, and anything that slows you down from that is an infringment on your rights. I'm fairly certain I'm not the only one picking up what you're putting down, no matter how you wish to disguise it. I may not be as highly edumicated as some people here, but I'm not the dullest tack in the elevator either. Your "reward" for being vaccinated, as I'm sure you already know, is that you are FAR less likely to get ill and/or die from the virus. That said, I'm sure you also know that just because you are relatively immune to the virus now that you are fully vaccinated, you can still carry and spread the virus to others who are less fortunate. Selfish or sell fish; only one of them applies here.
    5 points
  20. Who knew?? Relic ... from the Beachcomers tv series (which ran for 18 seasons!!) was awarded the DFC.. Robert Clothier... https://www.bombercommandmuseum.ca/chronicles/robert-clothier-relic-of-the-beachcombers-was-a-bomber-pilot/ And this search started because of a meme about Relic and Nick trying to free up the container ship stuck in the Suez!!
    5 points
  21. Putting political correctness aside. Race, religion and ethnic origin absolutely have an effect on one’s qualifications. These things influence decisions that a politicians/ people make everyday, but doesn’t mean that they are or aren’t “qualified”. In the Liberal party if you are a MP under Trudeau and you told him “ I am a born again Christian and I am pro life (anti-abortion)”, you would definitely not be a cabinet minister and likely not be able to run again as a Liberal. You certainly would not qualify for government funding. Regardless he can’t do any worse than Garneau.
    5 points
  22. Happy New Year to the whole AEF family. Blue side up and this year should see us with COVID in the rear view mirror. ....said he hopefully.
    5 points
  23. I'm genuinely curious on how they conduct these sim exercises. Having test pilots or FAA inspectors doing the flying isn't a proper assessment in my view. It's like having a biased jury in a local trial because they have been immersed in the news. They should be doing a "change of venue". Line pilots who don't spend any more time in simulators than legally required. Pick a range of crews from high performing to low performing (based on training records) and give them a very basic briefing (the "dumbed down version"). That's where they should be setting the benchmark. A pilot took 4 times longer than expected eh? Well guess what... in the airplane on a dark and ugly night over the water on departure some time in 2 or 3 years from now is when its going to come up, and I'm certain that it will be unexpected. So a couple of test pilots or FAA inspectors bolted firmly to the sim bay floor after days and months and now years of working on this doesn't scratch the sniff test with me. As for the other points of the article about Boeing's coziness with the regulator, old news and nothing seems to change.
    5 points
  24. Well I don’t know whether to laugh, cry or puke! This man and his government are so disconnected from reality, it’s beyond words.
    5 points
  25. a private corporation has every right to deny service to anyone for any reason they see fit. You human right to travel is not infringed because all that right says is you have the right to freedom of travel, it does not specify by what means. By denying boarding I am not infringing on that right as there are other options available to you. Conditions of Travel and reasons to be denied boarding are spelled out pretty well if one chooses to look. There are also huge number of fake medical mask exemptions out there. Someone was even selling a card. No mask no travel is my stance.
    5 points
  26. Friday Toe Tapper///Have a nice weekend aef.mp4
    5 points
  27. Saturday Morning Heart Starter....
    5 points
  28. Based on the public's knowledge of aircraft types, Air Canada could probably put the graphic as Air Plane
    5 points
  29. What if Right sizing means getting rid of a large percentage of the fleet? Should a government help pay the rent or loan payments for underutilized/stored aircraft? I don't how many Westjet aircraft (or other airlines) are currently in long term storage but it seems foolish to throw money in that direction. Might be better off having the government subsidize NavCanada and help the airports in exchange of lower operating fees than to interfere while normality is far away and the airlines need to "right size" to this new normal.
    5 points
  30. Every conspiracy theorist who contributed to this mess should face charges of criminal negligence causing death.
    4 points
  31. Crap! Their rights stop w when their rights could cause harm to me and mine.
    4 points
  32. Hmm, somebody at the NYTimes doesn't understand the science of partial pressure of gasses like oxygen (PO2), how O2 gets into the blood stream, nor do they appear to know the composition of the air we need to breath every few seconds or so! I think that the NYTimes has done a really poor job of writing this story. Initially I thought it had to do with the aircraft emergency oxygen system, "failing" to provide oxygen in a depressurization and wondered where "switches" came into play! I read further, and more slowly. There are no "oxygen switches" and one can't "increase oxygen" by turning the cabin airflow on "High". Oxygen levels don't "drop" because of failed switches on airplanes of course! What drops is the partial pressure of all gasses. So if there is a loss of pressurization, there is less partial pressure for nitrogen, oxygen, argon, carbon-dioxide, etc., to cross the membranes in the lungs, and hopefully the cabin pressure sensors that warn the crew of a cabin altitude higher than approximately 10,000ft, work. I'm sure those in charge will get it right and find/fix the problem, then have a chuckle at the NYTimes' level of "aviation" knowledge and consquently its writing.
    4 points
  33. I've been retired for over 17 years now and I still check in here pretty much every day. It keeps me in touch with the aviation community. I agree that our numbers are down but that may noy be permanent either. I very much appreciate this site. Cheers Greg
    4 points
  34. When stupidity is considered patriotism, it is unsafe to be intelligent. - Isaac Asimov "Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacutring industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowlegeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distingquish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into supersitution and darkeness. The dumbing down of America is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30-second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudo-science and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-haunted World - Science as a Candle in the Dark, p.25 Carl Sagan, like Tony Fauci today, would be in danger. I believe that view reflects a minority and that it is the media-megaphone that makes ignorance and stupidity appear larger than it is - it sells. Nothing succeeds like failure however, and it remains dangerous as people lose their "center", (ref. to Yeats' poem, The Second Coming) "Extinction is the rule. Survival is the exception." - Sagan
    4 points
  35. And for those of you who have missed the pubs...........
    4 points
  36. so the pandemic made it worse.... Well the number of aircraft flying in Canada is around 15% of pre pandemic so its not aviation causing the problem Traffic on the roads is around 50% of pre pandemic so its not vehicular traffic Warmer than the last winter this year so its not gas heating causing the problem So which sector is actually causing the problem? Likely all the hot air being expended by Trudeau.
    4 points
  37. People keep saying the engine was on fire.... Technically the engine is ALWAYS on fire. It just happens to be contained. you are not supposed to let it out
    4 points
  38. But the white one is sitting in front and the dogs of colour are relegated to the back. Some might think it's just a cute picture of cute dogs but that's because their privilege is so ingrained that they can't recognize racist dogs when they see them. Pictures of cute dogs are hurtful and nothing short of the immediate defunding of veterinarian clinics is acceptable.
    4 points
  39. Warning and caution lights illuminating are not unique to aircraft that have sat idle. They can illuminate at anytime. Light comes on, follow the checklist, talk to maintenance and go or no-go depending on the outcome. Not really news-worthy.
    4 points
  40. This government is starting to look like the one that it replaced. The only opinion that mattered was that of the PM. These Ministers are nothing but parrots sent out to read the script written from the cottage at Rideau Hall.
    4 points
  41. Interesting that people associate race, religion and ethnic origin with Qualifications for a position. I am more concerned that yet another MBA will be making decisions. MBA's to date in aviation have a poor track record. Thank you Dagger and Malcom for a proper response
    4 points
  42. Does anyone else get tired of people talking about their “rights”? It’s almost like they’re not aware of how those “rights” were promulgated. Our society gives you your “rights” and our society can amend and/or suspend your “rights”. During this unprecedented time, society has cordially requested that you limit your “right” to travel in order to protect your fellow citizens. Would martial law be preferable?
    4 points
  43. 4 points
  44. Two comments. Cathay had been struggling prior to Covid. Companies struggling going in, are fortunate to come out the other side at all. Just look at all the bankruptcies everywhere. I think this is just the US and of course includes only traded companies. https://www.alpha-sense.com/insights/covid-bankruptcies As for the Pandemic. How about a little over half way through world wide, with parts of the world already through? Hopefully. You can’t judge the status of the pandemic by cases. There is hyper vigilance on cases right now because as individuals that is the only way we can contribute. But trying to ascertain what stage of the pandemic? Completely useless. Cases will increase in perpetuity. The best way to check the status of pandemic is excess deaths. It takes all the human nuances out of the equation. Problem is it is very difficult for any of us to get that data in real time. I did find one for the UK. Notice the UK excess death is back to zero. But they were an initial hit country. In the absence of excess death we do have access to straight deaths per day. Not as good because it is people who passed with Covid. Not necessarily of Covid. That is an important distinction and why it is not as accurate as excess death. Bases on cases vs death graphs it looks like most countries who were hit hard last spring are through the pandemic. Mid latitude countries, where spread is summer, look to be on the backend of their pandemic (India/ Mexico/Brazil) Southern latitude countries like Argentina entering their Pandemic. Assuming, (something I get to do as an armchair quarterback with only virtual lives at risk) the virus doesn’t mutate into something worse, excess death will start to trend back to zero worldwide this winter. That is what would be expected to happen IF Covid19 progresses like other coronavirus of the past. Like SARS, MERS, SWINE,H1N1 That IF is the problem the real decision makers have to deal with, and the lives at risk aren’t virtual. Im staying hopeful
    4 points
  45. Just make scrambled eggs, problem solved.
    4 points
  46. I think it was one of several prerequisites, as was a revised Transat deal. If the government is to support the industry, it must be based on some kind of sustainable basis going forward. Trying to underpin excess capacity or unreasonably expensive takeovers isn't and never was the answer. You only have to look to the first US bailout package which kept most everyone on the job and a lot of aircraft flying uneconomically in the belief the industry would begin a sustained recovery this fall based on the virus impact receding. So what happened? The virus receded during the summer, but travel didn't recover significantly because of peoples' concerns, lack of travel opportunities (no meetings, conferences, trade shows, etc) and now with no second bailout package yet approved by Congress, the US industry is finally rightsizing itself to the actual market by grounding aircraft. Tens of thousands of employees are being laid off. The second Covid wave is gaining momentum, travel is screwed for calendar 2020 and into at least Q1 2021. Hopefully, a vaccine will begin to circulate by then, and a slow recovery of demand will begin. Until then, I don't see why governments - not just ours, should be sustaining unneeded and uneconomical flying. When the industry, out of necessity, finds a bottom in terms of activity, then the government can craft a policy that sustains that level and enough to ensure a gradual recovery. In Canada, with the tight restrictions imposed on travel to/from and even within Atlantic Canada, with the quarantines for inbound International travel, it's unrealistic to think any federal government - not just this one - would be responsible stewards if it handed out billions of dollars of support for activity levels that aren't justified by market demand. First, it would expect each airline (with their different market focus and ownership structures) to lead in belt tightening. That process is continuing. It may not be over. But we're getting closer to the point where shareholders have given back a lot of the gains they made in the recent fat years. Then we can talk about the need - the absolute necessity - of government intervention. The US and some EU governments acted too fast, pushed boatloads of money into what were unsustainable overcapacity situations, and are being pushed to offer second rounds of bailouts, which make no sense until the carriers collapse their operations to current market needs and likely short-term growth potential amid rising second Covid wave impacts. I follow the technology sector closely. I go to a few foreign trade shows in a normal year. There isn't a live trade show in the world that hasn't been cancelled since Covid really hit, and none are likely to be held any time soon. This is replicated in all business sectors - only absolutely essential business travel being maintained. Then work your through cruise travel, package vacations, VFR, you name it. If anything, Canadian carriers are ahead of the curve in finding bottom, and now - as in right now, as of today - have a better case for government help than they had in the summer. I think the US and European carriers still have some work to do to justify on-going government support, although they are more adept at manipulating public opinion in their countries.
    4 points


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