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  1. I can't believe I'm saying this but Manitoba was waaaaaayyy ahead of the rest of the country when it came to vaccination passports. I received mine on June 8th. Since then I've has no one kick in my door or tail me. I have had my personal email hacked but that's happened before my vaccinations too. Keep on removing privileges from those that choose not to get vaccinated and adding perks to those that have is fine by me.
    8 points
  2. I am not the author but I wish I was.
    6 points
  3. It is not. It is identical. When drugs are fully approved, the manufacturer brands them. And vaccination is not forced. No one is going to strap you to a table and inject you with anything. We, the 80% prefer not to expose ourselves to the heightened risk you, the 20% pose to us. No vaccine is perfect, and even if the odds are greatly reduced that I will get sick, I choose not to sit or work beside an anti-vaxxer. I will not go to dine, indoors, at a restaurant, if it admits you, because what we know of now of the virus (its spread by aerosols primarily) and Delta (its the most contagious variant yet), the odds of me getting even an asymptomatic case are better than zero. And some of the same people who are anti-vaccination are anti-mask, intolerant of people who prefer to protect themselves. So no one is going to come to your house and grab your arm, but don't expect to mingle freely in all places with the vast majority who aren't buying your nonsense.
    6 points
  4. Hello again, Seeker - Ok, I'll move "for Pete's sake" to the strong response cupboard (& try to tone it down) My dilemma: the Seeker that wrote: "Look, I'm not blaming the experts - we just really underestimated the problem or overestimated our ability. Really - not blaming anyone for this. We're all in it together and it turned out to be harder than we thought" doesn't sound the same as the guy above who predicates his question with the premise vaccinations aren't working. When the manifestly are, but limited by a difficult cohort that won't take them. An earlier post outlines the confirmation of that in current ON #'s. Again I'd invite you to consider the aspirational #'s if almost everybody was vaxxed. The recent levels of infection & transmission would show about 2-400 instead of 7-900 daily new ones. But with full vaxx uptake, we'd never even have reached those levels. With community spread reduced by more than half, R#'s would be way below the expansionary range, and outbreaks could be quickly contained. You wrote: "Somewhere early in the process we were told that we (society) could throw a bunch of money and our best experts at the problem, have an expedited vaccine ready in a year or so, vaccinate 75%-80%, achieve herd immunity and then Build Back Better." We could apply the same inference to ON #'s for an 80% uptake, i.e. about 12M vaxx'd instead of current 10M, yielding about 200 or so fewer dailies. Don't know exactly where that would place R#'s, but pretty sure it's < 1. All that with the hope that an even more communicable variant doesn't mutate while we've still got these millions of determined human petri dishes. The guy that wasn't blaming the experts would be onboard, instead of talking about vaccines "not working". Quick thought about Ivermectin that just might resonate for you . Your no-harm-no-foul approach could be analogized with the power of prayer. No apparent harm (not even nausea and/or diarrhea), and far be it from us to prevent good folk from praying their hearts out if they think it "works" . BTW, of course off-label usage of prescription drugs is widespread and respectable. It's also usually conducted in relatively quiet privacy. The problem with loudly validating these off-label usages online, even as panic courses through the web, is that stupid people feel encouraged to unintentional self-harm. Whether that should matter at all or not is another type of discussion altogether. Cheers, IFG
    5 points
  5. Yabut… mathematically, it’s working just as perfectly as it can given the vaccinated/non-vaccinated ratio.
    5 points
  6. This is the part I struggle to agree with. In fact, I’d say no, they’re not. There was a day when expertise was earned through decades of study, research and dedication to the craft. When experts spoke, the vast majority listened because faith in our fellow humans was engrained. Today by contrast, there are far too many experts who are anything but; who’ve put in nowhere near enough time and skin in the game to have developed expertise. They pronounce themselves as such and are crafty enough with their words to draw in the easily swayed. In truth, they are no better than a Jim Jones or a Jimmy Swaggart, and people are dying unnecessarily because of it.
    4 points
  7. Hmmm. Maybe time to give decaf a try. Vs
    4 points
  8. Every conspiracy theorist who contributed to this mess should face charges of criminal negligence causing death.
    4 points
  9. I'm pretty old and was never all that smart to begin with, so maybe someone here can help answer this. Why is it that the same crowd that opposes COVID vaccines as insufficiently proven to be safe embraces a medication in a form that has never been tested on humans? Vs
    4 points
  10. Hi, Seeker - If this was in Ontario, I have to wonder if a little was lost in translation there. I had my car towed within the last month through CAA. It was made clear when booking the tow that I'd not be able to ride in the truck, due COVID protocols (vaxx never even came up). And here's what strikes me. It never occurred to me to argue. TBH, I don't know why anybody at all, even vaxxedx2 as I am, would blithely expect the driver to unnecessarily (CAA is not taxi service) expose himself (and thereby his family) to close contact > 15 minutes with a total stranger, maybe several times a day, every workday. I was pretty much "well, that sucks, but I get it", and went about alternate arrangements. I just don't see what presents here as an intolerable encroachment. Talk about 1st world problem. On another note : Estimates of preventable hospital deaths are too high, new study shows | YaleNews "Previous estimates of preventable deaths of hospitalized patients may be two to four times too high, a new Yale School of Medicine study suggests. The meta-analysis of eight studies of inpatient deaths, published in the Journal of General Internal Medicine, puts the number of preventable deaths at just over 22,000 a year in the United States, instead of the oft-cited 44,000-98,000 estimate of a landmark 1999 study by the Institute of Medicine. Other frequently cited studies have placed the number of deaths as high as 250,000 deaths per year, which would make medical error the third leading cause of death, behind cancer and cardiovascular disease ...." Quarter million figure certainly piques curiosity . What percentage of total deaths is that? 1 in 3? Where people die - Harvard Health "Although more than 700,000 people die in hospitals each year in the US, the trend is toward fewer in-hospital deaths." JH study may not be limited to hospital deaths (likely as wide a net as possible was cast), but I'll bet many people read that into the study's conclusion. The top 10 leading causes of death in the United States (medicalnewstoday.com) "According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), there were 2,813,503 registered deathsTrusted Source in the United States in 2017." Total death rate above suggests JH saying almost 10% of ALL deaths (guns, crashes etc. included) are medical error, which FWIW still seems high to me. IAC, Don't want to bog down with amateur statistical analysis. That quarter mill number does not seem to lie in the centre of estimates for caused-by-error (except perhaps for malpractice lawyers). One is open to be convinced, but as the saying goes, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence . Cheers, IFG
    4 points
  11. There is a post going around twit/gram/book that a Vet posted. It was asking all those using a veterinary medicine to fight covid to please also get themselves spayed and neutered while they are at it.
    4 points
  12. So let me understand this: If a physician fails to follow the health authority infection control measures (e.g. sterile technique) and infects a patient, say with staph from their fingers and the patient gets sick or dies, then the physician is liable and will be sued to the limit of the law, possibly face criminal charges. If a hospital fails to enforce infection control measures among its staff, it is liable for negligence. If a free to fly individual fails to follow health authority infection control measures and infects someone else, say with covid from their nose or mouth, well, too bad, they were just exercising their personal freedom? It's like a haiku. Vs
    4 points
  13. Crap! Their rights stop w when their rights could cause harm to me and mine.
    4 points
  14. So, again- to my knowledge- AEF turns 25 years right about now. (That's the first time I signed on here, anyway- fall of '96.) Happy Anniversary, everyone!
    4 points
  15. Who is being up front. The Liberals who fraudulently promised a modest 10 billion dollar deficit when first elected and turned it into a 30 billion dollar one prior to covid. He is a fraud. He said he would have a clean government and we had the SNC-Lavelin affair. He said he we have to believe when a women says she has been harassed and then we found out that he had done exactly that with a reporter in B.C. who wrote about it in an article at the time that faded into history until it was rediscovered and Trudeau denied it all. Then he ruined the career of the female indigenous M who exposed his corruption. He told us the importance of not being or acting in a racist manner and then we saw the blackface videos and pictures. The man and his supporters are frauds. Why do people still support him? Because either they are frauds, naive fools, or parasites for government money and willing to look the other way, even if they don't like his policies. Even though he was responsible for so much death, health damage and economic damage with the third wave because we had so little vaccine after he foolishly went along with China, the country that had been trying to punish us for the two previous years. Meanwhile, we were behind many others for vaccine because Trudeau had more important things to do like schmoozing third world dictators with taxpayers money to get a feel good UN seat. He is the worst PM ever.
    3 points
  16. UD I am not trying to pick and choose, but frankly, I find your response highly selective. The alberta triage plan not implemented yet? So what? The need is being discussed. Look to the US. Look around the world. One almost has to put effort into not seeing health care infrastructure crumbling. The 'great unwashed'. What is wrong with you? That is a corrosive inflammation of what I said. Who would not be offended being framed that way? I find your characterisation of the nurses' situation beyond belief. After the stupidity with the harassment at the health care institutions and just how destructive that was to people who were already beaten down, I thought the press coverage was more thorough than you acknowledge. It wasn't just unions doing the talking. It's not just nurses BTW. You might want to check into the retirement curve of the docs in Ontario, for example. There is a curve that's not flattening. It feels like Kellyanne Conway was contagious. Play with this all you like. At the end of the day, there are real people getting sick, and some of them are getting sick because they are following misinformation. Some of them are getting sick at work, trying to save people who could have avoided being there altogether. Vs
    3 points
  17. That's an odd question. Alberta provincial triage statements? CTV news? All of the interviews with burnt out health care workers? I believe you can see for yourself the percentage of cases in hospital and ICU that are vaccinated and not. Vs
    3 points
  18. Covid is mostly avoidable with precautions, and severe Covid is usually avoidable thanks to vaccines. I'm sure that you don't advocate leaving most cases of cancer or heart disease untreated and that you don't discourage adopting lifestyles that make them less likely to occur in the first place, so I don't understand your point.
    3 points
  19. Two vastly different responses to the current pandemic: - First, BC, showing our vaccine passport, (just like the one we were issued when an applicant had to prove s/he had been vaccinated for small pox, tetanus and so on, before say, going to school, joining the airline, travelling to a foreign country known for cholera or yellow fever, etc. - Second, the Great State of Idaho, just south of Alberta, where they are discussing the need for "Death Panels" and where the concept of "triage" takes on a whole new "life-or-death" meaning: British Columbia https://www2.gov.bc.ca/vaccinecard.html Last updated: September 13, 2021 English | 繁體中文 | 简体中文 | Français | ਪੰਜਾਬੀ | فارسی | Tagalog | 한국어 | Español Everything you need to know Get the BC Vaccine Card Places your vaccine card is required for entry Vaccination key dates Privacy and your vaccine card I need help Personalized information for: Families and caregivers Students and youth Canadian Armed Forces People who don't have B.C. ID Businesses and organizations Get the BC Vaccine Card You can save the digital version to your phone or tablet or print a paper copy to carry in your wallet. Both options are accepted everywhere. Step 1: Log-in securely To log-in securely, you need to provide your: Date of birth Personal Health Number (PHN) Date you got dose 1 or dose 2 If you already have a Health Gateway account, log-in with your BC Services Card App. Step 2: Save or print After you've securely logged in, you have 2 options: Save a digital copy to your phone or tablet. We recommend taking a screenshot, then saving to your photo album or downloads folder Take a screenshot and then print it out. Don't fold or crease the QR code portion of the card You can save or print a card for yourself or someone else, like a youth or parent. Step 3: Show your card Have your card ready when entering a business. They'll look at your vaccine card and also check your government ID. Enjoy events, businesses and services in B.C. Feel safe knowing that everyone around you is vaccinated. I don't have access to a smartphone, computer and printer Places your vaccine card is required for entry This content is a summary of the PHO order — Food and Liquor Serving Premises (PDF, 402KB) and PHO order — Gatherings and Events (PDF, 417KB) documents. It is not legal advice and does not provide an interpretation of the law. In the event of any conflict or difference between this webpage and the order, the order is correct and legal and must be followed. By order of the Provincial Health Officer (PHO), proof of vaccination is required to access some events, services and businesses. You must have at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine. By October 24, you must be fully vaccinated. The requirement is in place until January 31, 2022 and could be extended. The requirement applies to all people born in 2009 or earlier (12+) and covers: Indoor ticketed sporting events with more than 50 people Indoor concerts, theatre, dance and symphony events with more than 50 people Licensed restaurants and cafes and restaurants and cafes that offer table service (indoor and patio dining), including liquor tasting rooms in wineries, breweries or distilleries Pubs, bars and lounges (indoor and patio dining) Nightclubs, casinos and movie theatres Gyms, exercise/dance facilities/studios and these activities happening in recreation facilities Businesses offering indoor exercise/fitness Indoor adult group and team sports for people 22 years old or older Indoor organized events with 50 or more people. For example: wedding and funeral receptions (outside of a funeral home), organized parties, conferences, trade fairs and workshops Indoor organized group recreational classes and activities with more than 50 people like pottery, art and choir Post-secondary student housing Spectators at indoor youth sporting events with more than 50 people Note: Proof of vaccination is not required to vote in-person in the September 20 federal election or at advance polling places. Examples of places that don't require proof of vaccination You don't have to show proof of vaccination at places like: Grocery stores, liquor stores and pharmacies Unlicensed restaurants that don't offer table service For example: fast food, coffee shops, food courts, food trucks and takeout Tasting rooms without seating attached to wineries, breweries or distilleries Local public transportation (BC Transit, TransLink, BC Ferries) Salons, hairdressers and barbers Hotels, resorts, cabins and campsites Unless it is a setting or event covered by the PHO order. For example a licensed hotel restaurant, wedding reception or conference Does not include exercise/fitness facilities in hotels that are for guests Swimming pools (unless it’s the location of an event) and skating rinks (unless being used for adult sport) Banks and credit unions Retail and clothing stores Public libraries, museums, art galleries (unless they are the location of an event) Food banks and shelters Escape rooms, laser tag, indoor paint ball, arcades and bowling alleys (if they are unlicensed or don't offer food-related table service) Post-secondary on-campus cafeterias Airport food courts and restaurants Health care services, rehabilitation or exercise therapy programs, and drug and alcohol support group meetings Social services provided to people in need You don't have to show proof of vaccination at events like: Worship services Indoor youth recreational sport for people 21 years old or younger Before and after school programs for K to 12 students Student events and activities in K to 12 public and independent schools Indoor organized events with less than 50 people, except adult sports Vaccination key dates September 13: Partially vaccinated You must now be partially vaccinated to access some events, services and businesses. You're partially vaccinated with 1 dose. October 24: Fully vaccinated By October 24, you must be fully vaccinated to access some events, services and businesses. You're fully vaccinated with 2 doses. I'm not vaccinated yet You won't be able to access some events, services and businesses. I need to get vaccinated Privacy and your vaccine card Every BC Vaccine Card has a unique QR code Every BC Vaccine Card comes with a unique QR code. B.C. is using the SMART Health Card QR code format, a requirement of the federal government. This means the QR code only stores the absolute minimum level of information and is not connected to other health records. What information is included in your QR code The QR code contains your: First and last name Date of birth Dates of vaccination Type of vaccine The lot numbers of the doses you received The clinic location where you received your doses Why this information is included The information in your QR code will be required as borders around the world reopen to fully vaccinated travellers. Having it in your QR code ensures the long-term validity of your BC Vaccine Card. In B.C., businesses are required to use the BC Vaccine Card Verifier app to scan the QR code. This app can only read: your name whether you are fully or partially vaccinated Businesses are not allowed to keep a copy of any proof without your consent. Don't share your QR code on social media. This is a personal document. Keeping your BC Vaccine Card secure is key to keeping your information under your control. Partially vaccinated Fully vaccinated No record found Checking ID Events, businesses and services will ask to see your BC Vaccine Card and a piece of valid government photo ID, for example: B.C. driver's licence or BC Services Card Passport Photo ID issued by another province or territory Vaccine card transition period to September 26 To give everyone time to get their BC Vaccine Card, up to and including September 26, you can show other forms of proof of vaccination: Wallet-sized immunization record card (given out at vaccine clinics) Printed immunization record from Health Gateway Immunization record from your pharmacy (AstraZeneca/SII COVISHIELD) National Defence Canada COVID-19 vaccine record or card Provincial Immunization Registry record (used by Interior Health and others) ImmunizeBC record (used by First Nations Health Authority and others) Health authority immunization records: Fraser Health Vancouver Coastal Health Northern Health Families and caregivers You can share copies of your vaccine card with your family and loved ones. We recommend emailing copies to family members or printing multiple copies. Parents should carry a copy of their child's vaccine card with them. You are allowed to have multiple copies. Students and youth Post-secondary students Proof of vaccination is also required for some on-campus housing. Out-of-province students You can use your provincial/territorial or international proof of vaccination. We recommend you get a BC Vaccine Card. To get a card, you have to get your immunization record added to the provincial system. Submit your information as soon as you arrive in B.C. Youth aged 12 to 18 Youth aged 12 to 18 can carry their own BC Vaccine Card, or have a trusted adult carry it for them. Youth are not required to show valid government photo ID. Canadian Armed Forces Members of the Canadian Armed Forces don't need to get a BC Vaccine Card. You can use your National Defence Canada COVID-19 vaccine record or card and your National Defence ID card. People who don't have B.C. ID People who don't have a B.C. ID are also required to show proof of vaccination. You might not have B.C. identification if: You're visiting from another place You just moved here People from other provinces or territories People from other Canadian provinces or territories must show: Provincially/territorially officially recognized vaccine record Valid government photo ID International visitors International visitors must show: Proof of vaccination they used to enter Canada Passport -----The second story: The Great State of Idaho, U.S.A., where healthcare measures including personal hygiene habits are either banned outright or shamed-and-shunned by anti-vax/anti-mask adherents as one might experience in a religious community, for example, and which brings to fever-pitch, the "clash of rights" now experienced on both sides of the vaccination issue. https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/sophies-choice-over-and-over-death-panels-are-the-new-phase-of-the-pandemic/ (my bolding, where seen in the article ‘Sophie’s choice, over and over’: Death panels are the new phase of the pandemic Sep. 11, 2021 at 6:00 am Updated Sep. 11, 2021 at 3:26 pm (Photo) Registered nurse Jack Kingsley attends to a COVID-19 patient at St. Luke’s Boise Medical Center in Idaho on Tuesday, Aug. 31, 2021. St. Luke’s Health System has paused... (Kyle Green / The Associated Press) By Danny Westneat Seattle Times columnist Remember “death panels”? Well, they’re back, and this time, they’re real. “Death panels” was a phrase coined by Sarah Palin, the folksy-talkin’ former Alaska governor and vice presidential candidate. She imagined that Obamacare would cause health bureaucrats to ration out medical care, after first sitting in judgment of who was most deserving to receive it. This was awarded the “Lie of the Year” in 2009, as it was nowhere in any legislation. It was a right-wing fever dream. But now a version of it has come true — in Idaho. Hospitals in northern Idaho are so flooded with COVID-19 patients that the state has declared an emergency, called “crisis standards of care.” It means when you show up to the emergency room, you may get treated based preferentially on who is most likely to live. “If your mother has a heart attack, someone will have to assign her a point score designating how likely she is to survive,” the Idaho Falls Post Register wrote, describing the scheme last winter when it was first being contemplated. “If it isn’t high enough, she might not get an ICU bed, and a COVID patient will get it instead. “We will ask the nurses and doctors who’ve broken their backs trying to save us to make that Sophie’s choice over, and over, and over.” This past week the 200-bed hospital in Coeur d’Alene had 218 patients — so many it was treating patients in hallways and running out of oxygen to help them breathe, The Associated Press reported. “What about the people who need emergency care but, because of the exploding COVID crisis here, can’t get it?” asked the Coeur d’Alene Press. “Do we just let them die?” The answer to that is: “Yes.” Letting them die is actually the plan. The GOP governor of Idaho said it was “an unprecedented and unwanted point in the history of our state.” But he made no moves to try anything else, such as requiring vaccinations for anyone (he earlier had banned the governmental use of “vaccine passports” in the state). It’s a red state, and so for the most part they’re letting the virus rip and run. Remember years ago when a tea party debate audience cheered the idea of letting someone without insurance die? What’s happening in Idaho is even worse because it’s so preventable. Doctors in Idaho have said their COVID-19 patients are almost all unvaccinated. “We don’t have any vaccinated patients here,” an ICU doc in Boise told The Associated Press. “Misinformation is hurting people and killing people.” Idaho ranks last in the percentage of its population having at least one dose of coronavirus vaccine, at only 45%. The U.S. is about 63%; Washington state 69%. But Idaho is not the only place where the “death panel” concept is creeping into the conversation. The main hospital in Yakima is seeing a record number of COVID-19 patients, almost all unvaccinated. They’re raising the specter of rationing care there, too — something the chief medical officer said has never happened at the hospital. “I sure hope we don’t get there, but that’s where we’re heading,” he warned in The Yakima Herald-Republic on Wednesday. When I wrote last week about a COVID-19 skeptic and anti-vaxxer who had died of the disease, asking whether society should care, I heard from a slew of readers furious because their own medical care is being delayed or cut off — a diffuse version of the triage going on in Idaho. “Am I angry? You bet I am,” wrote Mike Morrissey, of Snohomish, who says his cardiac surgery has been put off indefinitely due to a flood of COVID-19 patients. “My heart is failing without intervention. I can’t walk a block without stopping. But their choice [to not get vaccinated] just negated my urgent need.” Echoed a nurse at a regional hospital: “They’re dying of stupidity by choice, but at the same time taking up space in the hospital and displacing stroke, cancer and cardiac patients.” “Do I care what happens to those who won’t take a simple step to end this nightmare?” asked reader Jon Kraus, who said his brother-in-law had a surgery to fix a painful back condition put on hold due to COVID-19 levels. “I’m tired of catering to people who don’t care about anyone but themselves.” This is why Gov. Jay Inslee and President Joe Biden suddenly feel more comfortable mandating the vaccine for groups of workers and businesses. Yes, the right-wing flank of the GOP will sue, march around in tri-corner hats and scream at their local school boards. But people are done. The vaccinated — the majority in most states — have had enough. Now, as the workplace vax wars rev up, the best point to keep in mind is offered up by reader Michael Andreoni: “Who I DO feel sorry for are the medical personnel who have to deal with this mess,” he wrote. It’s the story of our time, how a pandemic that was visited upon us, through no fault of our own, ended up morphing into such a self-inflicted wound for America. It didn’t take a tyrant or a deep state or a committee of banal bureaucrats to bring death panels to life, as Sarah Palin imagined in her fever dream. We willingly did it to ourselves. Danny Westneat: dwestneat@seattletimes.com; Danny Westneat takes an opinionated look at the Puget Sound region's news, people and politics. Disclosing my bias: Like some others here who have family in the healthcare system, we have a daughter who is an Emerg Nurse in a local hospital. They have three young children, (6 & under); her husband is a firefighter. Both of them see the severe results described here and elsewhere of the choice to not vaccinate. Both see a system under strain. Many are leaving the healthcare profession due to burnout in the ICU. People with other health issues are having critical surgeries foreshortened or cancelled. We are appealing to you: Please reconsider your choice not to vaccinate as the decision has a material, extremely deleterious effect on many others.
    3 points
  20. Westjet to require all employees to be fully vaccinated https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/the-westjet-group-announces-mandatory-covid-19-vaccination-for-all-employees-876060590.html
    3 points
  21. GDR, you are predicating your vote on who you believe is telling the truth about their platform. Surely a track record is the best indicator of whether or not you can believe them going forward. In my opinion, Justin T fails that test miserably. I'm willing to give a Vet a chance to prove himself...especially considering what we have gone thru in the last 6 years with a trust fund, WE scandal, black faced part-time drama teacher who has no regard for finances.
    3 points
  22. The above statement is misinformation, and is on a public forum. As a member of the AEF I object to the use of this forum for this purpose. Don Hudson From Health Canada: From the U.S. FDA
    3 points
  23. Months ago? I have no idea what conversation you’re referring to. You proclaimed covid-19 to be a minor medical issue on this thread a few days ago.
    3 points
  24. No shoes. No shirt, No passport - No Service. I can struggle with that quite easily.
    3 points
  25. It's claimed that the approved vaccines prevent infection in many cases. They reduce the severity of disease when breakthrough infections occur. I think that most of us who follow the news about Covid are aware that some in the medical establishment do believe that Ivermectin can sometimes be of use in treating Covid-19 and that it should be further studied. In the meantime, as one who is fed up with the pandemic and with the anti-vaxxers who are standing in the way of us ending it (just look at what is happening in Florida and elsewhere where 60% of the population is vaccinated and imagine what it would be like if 0% were vaccinated), I don't mind a bit of comic relief over the idiocy of people who'll happily ingest quantities of de-wormer intended for a cow but who run around infecting others while preaching that nobody should undergo vaccination. The creation of humorous memes ridiculing them probably isn't isn't the best way to go about changing their minds, but the anti-vaxxers I have engaged with simply cannot be reasoned with and attempts to get them to look at the science result in lectures about microchips, aliens, the "plandemic", or claims that doctors are all lying about the number of patients in their ERs. Don't Fauci their Florida.
    3 points
  26. ok then Due to you not revealing your vaccination status you shall not be allowed to operate flights to any destination that requires a vaccination for Covid, yellow fever, WPV, Malaria, BiH,Polio. As an international worker these requirements are set in place by the countries to which the airline operates. If you can not meet those requirements then you can operate YYZ-YSB 3 days a week for the rest of your career because working around your irrational fear of health privacy is not in the best interest of the company.
    3 points
  27. Just listening to Q&A with Trudeau and Singh after both leaders basically called for shutdown of the oil&gas sector…….it behooves me why no reporter has the balls to ask what their positions are on the export of coal to Asia ….it’s BCs biggest export, almost 36 million tonnes/year…..liberal Carla qualtrough has the Robert’s bank terminal in her riding and jagmeets riding is just north……oil is dirty but coal is ok?? Hypocrisy comes to mind but I would love to see this come up at some point in the campaign and see sockboy and jagmeet wiggle out of this one. https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/yes-anti-pipeline-vancouver-really-is-north-americas-largest-exporter-of-coal
    3 points
  28. Good Afternoon Rascal: A excellent rant especially form someone facing your health situation. Although I am required not to disclose my medical courier work you will be happy to know I am a member of a group that goes around the world for stem cells. Our group plays a rather exquisite game of beat the clock as they are viable for 36 hours from harvesting to infusion. So far our group has been as far as Singapore and Cape Town which gives you a idea on how long our duty day can be. Now as a cancer patient you are aware of the CART-T program in which CRSP-R technology is used to rework molecular make up of Stem Cells in order to identify and kill off specific tumour cells. Now to the uninitiated with rather pedestrian knowledge this is almost at the same level as reworking the spike in a COVID-19 virus. I find this ironic that those who decry the MRNA style of vaccine would be beating down the doors to get into a CAR-T program if they were in your shoes Rascal. I literally puke when I hear my rights are being violated so how about the responsibilities that go with same rights? The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. For those who compare this to the Yellow Star for the implantation of the vaccine I would strongly suggest a trip to Yad Vashem, Dachau, Auschwitz-Birkenau, Mila-18 in Warsaw and others so you can truly understand the true meaning of Holocaust/Shoah. In addition the term "Vaccine Passport" should be changed to "Vaccine Certificate" in which I think that would be a welcome change from the highly emotional "Passport"! For those who do not want to get vaccinated your right to do so but please don't expect empathy from front line medical staff when you clog up ICU and close down elective surgery. I must also disclose I am in line for elective surgery and if that is stopped again to protect ICU capacity I will exhibit more contempt for them as a poster earlier called them out as mere morons. I would expect that in the future for the anti-vaxer (crowd) this saying which is posted at airport security will apply "It is your choice not to go through security but going through security is a requirement to go through security to board an aircraft". Rascal stay safe and remember "Illegitimi non carborundum"!
    3 points
  29. Federal and provincial health and safety regulations already require employers to have policies and programs to protect workers from employment-related injuries and illness. There is plenty of evidence that COVID-19 has been spread in Canadian workplaces, therefore it is not a huge stretch to say that in order to comply with the existing legislation, an employer can require vaccinations as part of their OH&S compliance program.
    3 points
  30. I have to wonder when we cross the line into misinformation here. I find it disingenuous that anti-mask/vaccine ideology considers that individuals are being 'forced' to take approved health measures, while the person who asserts their choice to remove their mask and face me at 2 feet indoors (as a bank manager just did) effectively 'forces' me to be inoculated with covid. They have no idea whether they are infected or not. The thing that isn't really being acknowledged is that there is no inoculation free option here. Getting inoculated with a vaccine has been proven beneficial around the world. Receiving someone's 'personal choice' and being inoculated by aerosolized covid is not beneficial at all. Why do those who offer only harmful inoculants feel they get to choose for me? Vs
    3 points
  31. I have to admit that I'm a little tired of hearing about why we shouldn't vote for Trudeau and his Liberal party in this election. It isn't that I don't disagree that he is doing a particular poor job as PM and I don't see that improving. What I do want is a reason to vote for one of the other parties and here is something that resonates with me. I am basically on the left wing of the Conservative party and I find that much of the policy that O'Toole has espoused appealing. I like that he wants to see labour representation of company boards. I like that he has a commitment to putting in more beds for the mentally ill and treating opioid addicts as patients and not criminals. Here is an article that deals with that. https://nationalpost.com/opinion/adam-zivo-a-pro-labour-conservative-party-invading-ndp-turf-is-hardly-surprising Adam Zivo: A pro-labour Conservative party invading NDP turf is hardly surprising The growing frivolity of progressive politics has become alienated from working class values Author of the article: Adam Zivo Publishing date: Aug 25, 2021 Embracing government intervention more than anyone expected, the Conservative platform says the party would continue pandemic-related stimulus spending for two years before shifting into deficit-reduction mode. The platform also contains several pro-labour policies that would typically be associated with the NDP, suggesting that reform conservatism, which sees a role for government in supporting those left behind by laissez-faire capitalism, is becoming more influential within Canada. Reform conservatism acknowledges that unrestricted markets can sometimes unfairly deprive citizens of opportunities to flourish and has grown increasingly influential since the Trump era. It is currently advocated by Mark Rubio in the United States (who calls it “common good capitalism”) and Jason Kenney in Alberta. Its slow ascendancy not only reflects voter frustration with worsening economic inequality, but also a rejection of the growing frivolity of progressive politics, which has become increasingly alienated from working class values. Reflecting reformist views, the Conservatives have proposed a “Canada Job Surge Plan,” which would pay 25 to 50 per cent of the salaries of new hires for six months following the end of the Canadian Emergency Wage Subsidy. The Conservatives have also proposed increasing the Canada Workers Benefit, as well as an expanded employment insurance plan that would kick in when provinces go into recession, boosting salary replacement from 55 per cent to 75 per cent. The Conservatives have said that they will work with unions to alter the Canada Labour Code so that they can have a more level playing field against multinationals. They have similarly promised to: make it easier to organize unions within firms that have a history of anti-labour activity; force companies to provide gig workers with financial contributions equivalent to CPP and EI; and ensure that large companies include worker representatives within their boards of directors. These kinds of policies are not typically associated with conservative politics. Tackling unemployment through wage subsidization? Supporting businesses through generous financial aid rather than tax cuts? Fortifying the social safety net? Defending Canada’s labour movement? Giving workers a say in corporate governance? It seems that the Conservatives have enthusiastically invaded the NDP’s turf. Yet, unlike leftist approaches, reform conservatism is focussed on providing equality of opportunity, rather than equality of outcome — ensuring that hard work and personal responsibility remain key factors for success. Relatedly, it does not vilify the wealthy, since wealth-generation is still attributed to personal virtue, and while it believes that government interventions can be constructive, it is nonetheless attentive to fiscal discipline and individual freedoms. The conservative embrace of labour unions and social spending is based on the belief that everyone who wants to move upward through hard work should be given a fair opportunity to do so — and this lionization of hard work remains a conservative value. But why would working class voters think that conservatives can be better friends to them than socialists? It boils down to the uneasy dynamics that underpins contemporary progressive politics, which, broadly speaking, is an alliance between: the working class — often marginalized, earthy and pragmatic — and champagne socialists — often privileged, idealistic and grandiose. Over the past two decades, growth in the knowledge economy has boosted the influence of the latter, aligning progressive politics with economic and cultural privilege. This trend is epitomized by the ascendance of “bourgeois bohemians” or “BoBos” (a term recently popularized by David Brooks in The Atlantic), who are the kind of people who advocate for the working class but would be mortified visiting a trailer park — aka: they want to be society’s saviours but condescend to people unfamiliar with their elite culture (i.e. post-industrial lofts, pretentious gastronomy, spicy Twitter essays). In response, many working class voters have migrated to conservative circles where they feel culturally respected — with Trumpism being a messy example of that. Conservative politicians have traditionally embraced these voters through pugilistic anti-elite rhetoric that, while emotionally satisfying, offers few actual solutions to working class woes. Trump’s failure to improve the rust belt’s economic conditions comes to mind, as does Maxime Berniers’ angry politicking. In this context, the Conservative platform seems to treat the pandemic as an opportunity to more constructively pivot Canadian conservatism towards the working class — capturing disadvantaged voters who feel alienated by progressive elitism. Should this reorientation succeed, an important question will be whether the Conservatives can fully reconcile their pro-business and pro-labour wings. How do you navigate between competing forces that disagree on the size and role of government? Maintaining peace between these two factions would likely be doable in the short term, when higher spending is justified by the pandemic. Unlike the NDP, though, the Conservatives at least recognize that spending needs to be reigned in, but what would happen when cuts pit business against labour? It’s an interesting thing to think about, but likely too speculative at this point. When Conservative leader Erin O’Toole first declared he was betting on union support last fall many were surprised, while others were skeptical. Yet, of all the political shifts created by the pandemic, the rise of a pro-labour Conservative party is in some ways not very surprising at all.
    3 points
  32. . . . and hopefully then, arrests. Carriage of alcohol across provincial/state/country borders is an illegal act and warrants arrest at destination, or, where physical abuse threatens the flight's progress and/or passenger safety, whereever the captain deems is the nearest suitable airport to land the aircraft. Such landing at an unscheduled airport can have unanticipated, serious personal/legal outcomes for individuals who may also have immigration, arrest-warrant, tax or other such outstanding matters which could be of interest to authorities in that country. Life can rapidly become very complicated these days for a momentary loss of personal control. Further, to counter any abusive behaviour that threatens flight safety, IATA needs to implement a worldwide "No-Fly" roster so that those committing the most serious offences involving physical attacks on crews, even just once (first time), are banned from all air travel everywhere and not just the country in which the aircraft is registered.
    3 points
  33. C'mon folks, a very worthy cause by a very persistent candidate!
    2 points
  34. How To Watch SpaceX Inspiration4 Launch—Date and Time of First All-Civilian Spaceflight (newsweek.com)
    2 points
  35. Shouldn't you be protesting at a hospital somewhere?
    2 points
  36. Good Morning Don! You should know better than to let facts get in the way of a good argument
    2 points
  37. Perhaps you like other to pay more so you won't get less. The conservatives could do us all a big favour by cutting all the money going to pay people not to work while businesses have trouble finding employees. Sorry, but just one of many reasons to toss out this economic disaster of a government.
    2 points
  38. Hi J.O. There is a moral failing in such a charge [in a mere charge of negligence], I think - it is much deeper, not apprehendable by normal legal/quasi-legal or even philosophical means, (or if one reaches it, it is essentially meaningless to do advance for one must weep first, by no means for the first time...). One cannot be charged for an absence of humanity and empathy with the present human condition for lack of anything better to describe it. There is no "moral high ground here", nor is there its opposing "low" ground, but only an absence of awareness of "the other" - it is as though we were all an "it" because that is the way "the enemy" must be believed to be before dismissing it in favour of one's own. One can't castigate, blame, target or empty one's feelings towards such pedantry that forms such incapacitious thought; it just "is". But it is having an effect on our chances here, and elsewhere, for thriving and emerging. With response and outcomes varying across the country and some here attuned to our southern neighbour hardened against science-based human health initiatives with known benefits of preventing one's death, what defence is mustered by a continued anti-vax stance? According to the CDC latest, the unvaccinated are 4.5 times more likely to contract COVID-19, 10 times more likely to be hospitalized and 11 times more likely to die. These are moms and dads, (leaving children with one/no parent...), husbands, wives & grandparents, not "faceless" humans. I concur with mandates because all of us are more important than any one of us. Yes, in the end it is still a choice but it IS a choice with requirements which are just the same as those that accompanied previous highly-communicable diseases that killed like AIDS. You had to be honest. If one is unvaccinated, one must care for others as best as one can by distancing, masking and staying away from large, unmasked groups. Republican Jordan for one of many proselytizers, who is characterizing vaccination as "un-American". Really? So, how many deaths will come from Rep. Jordan's statement? How to count, how does one & one's loved ones defend themselves? But for the sore arm for a few days, it is as simple as washing one's hands. I understand the exceptions.
    2 points
  39. Wasn't Arar an an innocent man, falsely asccused versus Khadr who was killing American soldiers in the cause of Islamic extremism. Why would anybody think they were comparable. Intentional misleading perhaps?
    2 points
  40. Likely because they rely on and trust information posted on Social Media or spewed out by celebrities'.
    2 points
  41. And look at all the problems ( and "raised" expectations) THAT has caused!! Lawyers can't use Viagra. It makes them taller.
    2 points
  42. That is indeed how I will vote and I have $$$$$$$ Billions of reasons to not vote for the Liberals.
    2 points
  43. Happening live now, a livestream of the CNE airshow until 3pm est. https://www.680news.com/video/
    2 points
  44. Interesting read. “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” - C.S. Lewis Our society's headlong rush toward mandatory vaccinations is alarming. I say that as someone who is fully vaccinated, who thinks that vaccines are excellent at preventing severe disease, and who thinks that vaccination is a very prudent choice for most adults. We are seeing increasing contempt and anger directed at a small minority in our society, those who cannot or will not vaccinate. Those emotions are being fueled by fear and shamelessly stoked by politicians, media, and TV doctors for their own ends. The frustration of 18 months of pandemic - and endless ineffective strategies to stop it - has left people eager for both scapegoats and quick solutions. How many times in human history has this happened - where angry, frustrated people blame their problems on a minority which appears to be different? The usual justifications are already widespread. "It's their own fault - they could choose differently." "We need to keep ourselves safe." "If they would just act like us, they wouldn't have a problem." Some questions and thoughts on mandatory vaccination, in no particular order. This will likely be very long, so you are much better off skipping this and having a beer instead. 1. Where is the science, and where is the risk analysis? Ontario's Covid Science table wrote last month that, while limiting high-risk activities to the vaccinated only could theoretically reduce risk, "there is currently no direct scientific evidence of the impact of COVID-19 vaccine certificates on vaccine coverage or SARS-CoV-2 transmission." It seems that the purpose of limiting trains, planes, and games to the vaccinated is to keep people safe, presumably by reducing or preventing transmission of the virus. Ontario's Dr. Moore said that he would consider lifting capacity limits - currently at 1000 people - for large venues that require vaccination. Is a crowd of 20,000 vaccinated people at less risk of transmission than a crowd with 750 vaccinated and 250 unvaccinated? The good doctor did not show his math, almost certainly because he did not do any such math. The various Covid vaccines were not intended to prevent transmission - this was not even tested in their trials. Prior to Delta, it seemed they were actually reducing transmission fairly well. Delta has changed that - the vaccines may reduce transmission, but the reality is that vaccinated people can spread Delta easily (see article in comments below.) Taking an individual or group from super-contagious to only highly-contagious is not exactly "keeping us safe." Even if the vaccines do reduce transmission of Delta, it is likely that the overall risk reduction from mandatory vaccines would be extremely small, given the already-high rate of vaccination. Imagine if a vaccine mandate changed the composition of a room or train or church from 75% vaccinated to 90% vaccinated (keep in mind that those under 12 can't be vaccinated, and there are also people who can't be vaccinated for medical reasons.) That means that 15 out of 100 people went from super-contagious to only highly-contagious. If that change makes you feel safe, your safety sensor is broken. The science does not establish that vaccine mandates lead to any significant risk reduction for anyone but the person vaccinated. There will be many more studies on this - but in the meantime, we can look at massive case increases in heavily-vaccinated Israel, Iceland, and UK to see that widespread vaccination does not necessarily curb transmission. To make matters worse, there are now findings that the vaccines' limited ability to reduce transmission actually declines rather quickly, and someone who was vaccinated in January may have very little protection at all by now. I listened to CBC interview a Globe and Mail health columnist this afternoon on the subject of vaccine mandates. He explained that there are two objectives: first, to reward those who are vaccinated; and second, to serve as a "stick" to get others to vaccinate. Interestingly, safety didn't even come up. Are vaccine mandates really about safety and preventing transmission? If so, let's see the science, and the risk analysis. Or are they becoming, like masks, more of a moral test? 2. What if they actually make things worse? What if mandates not only divide our society, but are actually counter-productive? A recent UK study found that domestic vaccine passports could increase vaccine hesitancy and decrease uptake, especially among certain demographic groups. In particular, younger people, Black people, and non-English ethnicities were less inclined to vaccinate if passports were introduced. There is the further issue of stigma. With the blame and scorn being directed at the unvaccinated, they may be less willing to seek testing or treatment when ill, a problem seen in previous situations where a particular group was shamed for public health reasons. 3. Can individuals choose? It's fascinating, in our "my body, my choice" society, where bodily autonomy is fiercely protected, that pressuring or coercing people to undergo a medical procedure is seen as progressive and desirable. One way that this is justified is by creating a false image of those who do not get vaccinated. They are scorned as "anti-vaxxers," even if they have supported every routine vaccination up until now. They are obnoxious, selfish people who care only about their own rights. They are misinformed and get all their knowledge from incorrect social media posts. Once these people are vilified and typecast, it is much easier to deny them personal choice. And yet there are many reasons why individuals don't get vaccinated. There are people who are extremely careful about what they put into their bodies and who use natural treatments instead of pharmaceutical ones. There are people who have had a terrible experience with government or medicine in another country - or even in this one. There are people who have significant medical conditions that make vaccination impossible. There are people who have carefully weighed the risk of vaccines vs. the risk of Covid and decided the benefit-harm analysis does not favour vaccinating. There are people who think it is unethical to give vaccines to those at very low risk of Covid (eg. healthy children) when high-risk people in other countries are dying without the vaccine. These people may be right, and they may be wrong, but I'm not sure it matters. As a society, we have long given people the right to be wrong when it comes to their personal health choices. You can gorge on Big Macs or liverwurst, you can drink too much Coke Zero, you can engage in extreme sports, you can smoke tobacco or pot. Society may not always approve - but there is implicit recognition that you have freedom to make those choices. And yes, our health care system spends considerable resources treating people who are damaged by their choices. 4. Do mandates protect the privileged and hurt the marginalized? New York City is aggressively imposing vaccine requirements for restaurants, gyms, and museums. 70% of Blacks in NYC are unvaccinated, as are 50% of Latinos. Think about it for a minute. Who will be admitted into public spaces, and who will be turned away? It's well known in Canada too that certain demographics are more vaccine hesitant. These include people of lower income, racialized people, and recent immigrants. This is not because they are foolish, or anti-vaxxers, or getting bad information from Facebook. Various demographic groups have very good reasons to distrust government and medicine. Shaming or coercing them will make it worse, not better. The problem is that pandemic policy has been primarily promoted and promulgated by the privileged. Well-paid politicians, professors, and public health officials can work from home, have paid sick days, and have no reason to distrust government or medicine. And yet it's the most vulnerable in our society that have taken it on the chin over and over again - low-paid essential workers, groups with much higher rates of Covid infection and severe consequences, and those more likely to have experienced job disruption or loss as a result of lockdowns. And now the privileged will take another swing, this time with mandatory vaccination, and the vulnerable will take another hit. But it's for their own good, bless their essential-working hearts. 5. Where is the discussion about public health ethics? Vaccination is a significant personal choice. For a lot of people, it's not an easy choice. It may require balancing competing health concerns, family situation, employment considerations, and more. I am deeply uncomfortable with "hey, we'll give you a free ice cream cone if you vaccinate!" Is that how we help people make a careful and accurate personal risk assessment? Or promise them a lottery ticket? On the flip side, what are the ethics behind the "stick"? If you really want to go to a concert, or sports event, you'll need to make the right personal choice on vaccination. What if that pressure causes someone to be vaccinated who really shouldn't be? Who is responsible? What are the ethics behind pressuring kids to be vaccinated so they can "get back to normal" (even though they can't?) To setting up vaccine clinics in schools where kids can get vaccinated without parental consent? To avoiding a public risk-benefit discussion with respect to the risks of vaccines, vs. the risk of Covid, in children? I've found it remarkable, and disappointing, that there has been very little public discussion of the ethics of all this. In fact, it seems that the accepted approach is now "the end justifies the means." High rates of vaccination are good, right? As such, let's do what it takes to get there. Well, that might be deserving of further discussion, because there are a lot of worthy goals that could be achieved by unethical means if that's the road we want to travel. If you think that the end of public safety justifies the means, give some thought to all the constraints we put on the police. They can't search houses without a warrant; they have to respect your Charter rights when they investigate or arrest you. Imagine all the assaults and murders that could be prevented if we did away with these obstacles. Obviously you care more about your rights than about people's lives. You selfish, rights-obsessed jerk. 6. But are rights even part of the discussion? No, it's not all about rights. But, in a society that values the Charter and human rights protection, it has been astounding how quickly these are tossed aside. When the Ontario NDP leader stated, quite correctly, that she does not take Charter rights lightly, and that there should be alternatives to mandatory vaccination, she was forced to quickly repent and proclaim that she made a mistake by thinking that mandatory vaccines should "take a back seat to Charter rights." This from the NDP! We are increasingly hearing that there will be NO EXEMPTIONS to mandatory vaccination. That's despite the fact that the Charter (which applies to government) provides protection for things like beliefs, conscience, and even mobility, and that human rights codes (which also apply to businesses and organizations) protect disability and religion. Governments and organizations which announce that they will not allow exemptions, even on these protected grounds, are essentially announcing that they simply don't think the law applies, or that "safety" trumps law. It doesn't. This is where it will get interesting, of course, because civil liberties associations and some unions are stepping forward and saying that they will contest mandatory vaccination policies. And there is a lot to contest. It's very interesting that the "no exemptions" crowd is now also saying that rapid tests are not sufficient (as UWO announced tonight.) If this is really about safety, rapid testing has a lot of promise. What better way to prevent transmission than to test for infection, instead of relying upon vaccines which do not prevent infection? Removing testing as an option suggests that this is not really about safety, but about compelling a particular behaviour - and publicly signaling a form of morality and virtue. 7. Is our messaging all mixed up? We waited a long time for vaccines. They were going to be a game changer. We just had to hold on to restrictions long enough to get lots of people vaccinated. Ontario and Canada have some of the highest vaccination levels in the world. Restrictions are not gone, and in fact Ontario's Dr. Moore estimates it could be another 6-8 months... and if you believe that, I've got some swampland you really need to buy. Is it any wonder that some people are not enthused about the game-changing nature of vaccines? In fact, vaccines ARE a game-changer, but we keep talking about the wrong game. They are incredibly effective at preventing severe disease. Despite this, they've been over-sold. They've been promoted as preventing infection when they simply don't. And the consequences are serious - because it appears that the vaccines aren't doing what was promised. The messaging should be focused on the actual strengths of the vaccines - getting vaccinated won't prevent you from getting infected, or from infecting someone else, but they will greatly reduce your chances of getting seriously ill. And why are we reluctant to use this messaging? Because it severely undermines the case for vaccine mandates. 8. No more false equivalencies. No, vaccine mandates are not like seatbelt laws, unless the law requires that you permanently implant a seatbelt in your body. No, they're not like anti-smoking laws either, unless there's a new vaccine I haven't heard of yet which prevents smoking-related illness. And no, they're not like the required childhood vaccinations either, unless you have been showing that yellow vaccine record to get into restaurants and Blue Jays games. To be honest, I haven't been and I don't know where mine is. 9. Might there be unintended consequences? Well, if a deeply divided society, medically-based segregation, increased vaccine hesitancy, and stigmatization of vulnerable groups are not enough for you.... I think there are significant implications for workplaces and businesses. Hospitals that are already short-staffed have promised to terminate non-compliant staff... and replace them with whom? And it is highly likely that such employers will also be on the hook for very large amounts of severance pay. Are health care employers going to be paying out hundreds of thousands, or even millions, of dollars in order to fire staff they desperately need? And next we'll need further restrictions because our health care facilities are overwhelmed due to lack of staff. If Alice accidentally fell into our world, she'd be desperate for a return to Wonderland to find some logic and reason. And what happens to people who are unable or unwilling to get vaccinated? Are they to be permanently unemployed? Lose their homes? What is the impact of this on them? Their families? Our society? 10. There is no #10. This is way too long already. If you read between the lines, you might get the feeling that I think vaccine mandates will do terrible harm and very little good. You would be correct. I expect we will continue to see evidence that the vaccinated can readily spread the virus. We will likely see evidence that vaccination immunity wanes quickly, more quickly than natural immunity. And I expect that none of this will make the smallest difference when it comes to vaccination mandates, for three reasons. First, politicians have seen the polls. After a Year of Fear, people are afraid, and looking for someone to blame, punish, and ostracize. There is no shortage of unprincipled leaders eager to capitalize on this fear and anger. Second, vaccine mandates may have relatively little basis in science or risk management, but they have a lot to do with perceived morality. If your school, business, church, or organization is truly caring and progressive, it will rush to enact as strict a policy as possible. If that risks breaking the law, or harming the disabled or vulnerable... well, it's all for the greater good, right? When life gives you lemons, sometimes you have to break a few eggs to make lemonade, or something like that? Third, it's starting to feel like the only tool we have. Remember surface disinfecting and how it prevented approximately zero cases of transmission? Remember how distancing and masking would stop transmission? Remember how we just needed sick days and it would all be better? Or just a few more weeks of lockdown? Or just wait 'til we have high vaccination levels? The ugly reality is that it doesn't seem like any of these things have been very effective. So we cling to vaccine mandates as the next magic bullet. The Ontario government has, to its credit, resisted the pressure to create a provincial vaccine certificate. At the same time, however, it's kicked out an MPP who chose not to be vaccinated. Did this reduce the risk to anyone? Sure. It reduced the political risk to the governing party. And the political risk to resisting a vaccine certificate program is too great, so expect that sooner than later. When that happens, hopefully there is an opportunity for Ontario to be different in a good way - and to create a program that actually respects rights and exceptions and recognizes that people who choose not to vaccinate do so for diverse and complex reasons - and have equal human worth to the vaccinated. On to today's stats, in case you're still awake after all of this. Ontario hospitalizations dropped slightly, by 12 to 283. This appears to be a blip in an otherwise fast-rising trend line, but it's still good news. ICU numbers are up by 5 to 161, while ventilator numbers climbed by 7 to 92. And, while I no longer report on daily case numbers, I'll note that while they continue to increase, the rate of increase has actually slowed a bit. That's all. Bring on the robber barons. Please!"
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  45. Where in Canada will the unvaccinated not be able to enter a grocery store? I don't know where you're getting this stuff. From the FDA press release I posted: Today, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved the first COVID-19 vaccine. The vaccine has been known as the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, and will now be marketed as Comirnaty (koe-mir’-na-tee), for the prevention of COVID-19 disease in individuals 16 years of age and older.
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  46. "7. We believe COVID-19 does not exceed the types of threats humans have traditionally accepted when choosing to live in a society. Restricting the ability to travel freely in the name of COVID-19, therefore, can no longer be legally or morally justified." I personally know people who were infected with covid-19 and became very, very ill. I also know people who were infected with covid-19 and died from it. I dispute the above statement, I believe that restricting the ability to travel freely in the name of COVID-19 is certainly morally justified.
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  47. Just imagine if we would have had a government that was focusing on Covid measures and the Afghanistan situation instead of campaigning for a power grab election? https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/canada-halts-afghanistan-evacuations-deadline-looms-79656228
    2 points
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